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Hence all lateral and therefor orbital movements are totally irrelevant in our case. Even with a outside reference point you can never decide if the moon is moving in a direction or if the reference point is moving. Without a nearby gravity well, that deforms the space-time, the moon would fly in a straight line for an outside observer.īut also the outside observer is irrelevant in our case:Ī lateral movement is not detectable on an body in space on its own. The second question is also irrelevant, since there is no floor in space. (But the answer is is yes, if the ball is spinning – no matter if it is attached or not) The first question (ball) is irrelevant in this case, since there are no strings attached ðŸ˜› If you wish to discuss anything else, please start another sub-thread. The “Non-Spinners” see “orbital motion” as motion per the MOTL, and the “Spinners” see it as motion per the MOTR.Ī) Trolls will be ignored, or asked politely to stop trolling.ī) This sub-thread is to be about why the moon issue transcends reference frames only. Whilst some still insist that the “Spinners” see things wrt the inertial reference frame and the “Non-Spinners” see things wrt the accelerated frame, you should now see that in fact it is simply a question of how each group classifies “orbital motion”, and then keep their version of “orbital motion” separate from the “axial rotation”.

Hopefully you should now see why the moon issue transcends reference frames.

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Whereas, if “orbital motion” is as per the MOTR, then in order to keep 1) and 2) separate, the motion of the MOTL must be “orbital motion” plus axial rotation of the moon in the same direction as the orbit, at a rate of once per orbit. So, if “orbital motion” is as per the MOTL, then in order to keep 1) and 2) separate, the motion of the MOTR must be “orbital motion” plus axial rotation of the moon in the opposite direction to the orbit, at a rate of once per orbit. These motions must be kept separate from each other. The second motion is “axial rotation”, which is the motion of an object about its own axis (an axis passing through the body of the object itself). Those are the only two options for the first motion. It can be as per the “moon on the left”, in the above GIF, or as per the “moon on the right”. That is the first motion, “orbital motion without axial rotation”, or simply “orbital motion”. If an object is orbiting, whilst not rotating on its own axis, it moves through the orbit whilst remaining oriented a certain way. There are two basic motions being discussed. OK, because some people were extremely upset that I stopped talking about the moon halfway through last month’s thread, I will make this post nice and early this month, for their benefit. The global and regional monthly anomalies for the various atmospheric layers we monitor should be available in the next few days at the following locations:

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The full UAH Global Temperature Report, along with the LT global gridpoint anomaly image for January, 2022 should be available within the next several days here.

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